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in the 1930s President Franklin Delano

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Roosevelt addressed the nation through a

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series of radio broadcasts known as the

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Fireside Chats his aim was to reassure

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the common man that our society would

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recover from its troubled times well

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we're far from 1930 and I deal with a

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different kind of fire for a new era of

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worldly frustration we offer a fresh

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conversation I'm Greg carlwood and these

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are the higher side chats let's go

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higher side Chatters from Sunny San

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Diego I'm Greg carlwood and if you do

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the digging there is a wide range of

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cultures old and new near and far that

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all have Legends of a wide variety of

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very similar sounding mythological or

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paranormal entities from little green

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Sprites and large Hairy Ape men to child

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stealing witches and mischief-making

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Spirits the names changed but the

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descriptions are often so similar you

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have to wonder how the Irish the Native

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Americans the Japanese and even new

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zealanders all all tell stories of being

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messed with by the same kinds of

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creatures going back about as far as

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anyone can trace it's enough to make you

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wonder if we're even the apex predator

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on this island Earth or if we might have

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beans living below the surface deep in

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the mountains or in some next door

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Dimension that see humans is naive play

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things for when the mood suits maybe the

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veil was thinner in the past perhaps

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Cosmic Arrangements trigger these

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overlaps or maybe modern human

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distracted to catch the glimpses we

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sometimes do in less hectic environments

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well however you look at it one has to

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dismiss way too many eyewitness accounts

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and way too much cultural knowledge to

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say it all amounts to nothing and

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someone who has a deep Rolodex of high

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strangeness stories is today's guest

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Bruce G Hollenbeck Bruce grew up in

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Kinderhook New York a little Hudson

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Valley Town steeped in strange history

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in folklore near the foothills of the

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Catskill Mountains not only has he and

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his family been a part of multiple

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multi-witness High strangeness sightings

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but his new book The Kinderhook creature

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and Beyond covers the history of

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paranormal activity in the area and it's

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a lot Bruce is not only an author but

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also a screenwriter whose films include

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vampire fangs and the drowned and as

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many books on film history and Pulp

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horror include the hammer comedy horror

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films the chronological history rock and

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roll Monsters the American International

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story and Poe pictures he has also

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cryptozoology field including Monsters

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of New York Monsters of New Jersey with

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Lauren Coleman as well as monsters of

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the the Northwoods with William brand

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Paul Bartholomew and Robert Bartholomew

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still living in Upstate New York with

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his wife four cats and several ghosts

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the Kinderhook cryptozoological

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chronicler and strange stuff historian

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Bruce welcome to the higher side

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wow what an introduction hi thank you

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very much I try man yes yes it is a real

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treat to have you here I really enjoyed

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the book not only do you go deep on the

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history of the Kinderhook area but also

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the similarities between entities and

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creatures seen there with other things

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seen around the world and you include a

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solid list of high profile hard to

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misidentify Epic UFO stories and I guess

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to kick this off let's give the people

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an overview of the landscape and the

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history of Kinderhook because it's kind

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of a paranormal hot spot that I wasn't

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too familiar with

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yeah it seems to be so

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basically I guess relevant to this

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discussion it's a very old village one

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of the oldest in the country

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actually Hendrick Hudson when he sailed

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up the Hudson River discovered it and

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the name Kinderhook means Children's

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Corner in Dutch because he saw

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Native American children on the

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shoreline and that's what he called it

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since then it's become famous for a

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certain amount of spookiness because

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Washington Irving

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wrote The Legend of Sleepy Hollow when

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he was staying in Kinderhook

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for years actually for centuries

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the town of Terrytown which is further

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south and Kendrick have always fought

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over who really has the rights to uh the

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Sleepy Hollow story and it turns out we

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because what Washington Irving did was

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he set the story in Sleepy Hollow which

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is Tarrytown basically

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but he used the characters

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he modeled the characters on people from

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around kindergarten and

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essentially Ichabod Crane was a real

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person named Jesse Merwin who's a school

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teacher

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Katrina Van Tassel was a woman named

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Katrina Van Allen whose home is just

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down the road from where I live

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so we've always had that kind of spooky

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atmosphere in Kid Rock it's a great

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Halloween Town as far as I'm concerned

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of course when I was a kid I made the

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most of it still do yes yes and that's

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just one aspect of the wild stuff going

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on this really should have been a

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Halloween show but I guess we're doing

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like The Nightmare Before Christmas kind

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of thing and uh yes

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apparently Martin Van Buren that's where

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his estate is that's where he's buried

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and there are a lot of ghost stories

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from the caretakers of that estate is

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that right

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that's true

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they don't want to talk about it not in

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public anyway you have to kind of get

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them you know aside when the tour groups

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and then I might tell you a few stories

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about how

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sometimes when they come in in the

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morning

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in the estate is now a National Historic

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they come in the morning and they find

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that they can smell

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something cooking in the Old Dutch ovens

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which haven't been used in probably 150

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cooking there

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people have seen

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spirits

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on the estate mostly outside

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although there is one bedroom bedroom of

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one of Martin mcbaron's sons that is

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supposedly haunted

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sometimes they'll find the drapes have

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been taken down during the night even

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though nobody was there

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and they have to put them back up again

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little things like that that add up

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pretty quickly

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yeah sounds like typical

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they just seem to be hot spots for this

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maybe there are places that preserve

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memories of repeated actions perhaps I

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yeah it doesn't strike me as an actual

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haunting it's more like uh you know

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Echoes of the past

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because there's never been anything

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there that's been malicious there's

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never been any interaction

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it's sort of like you're looking at a

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movie of somebody you know walking along

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the path or whatever it is

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and another piece of lore that comes

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from Kinderhook is apparently the Rip

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Van Winkle story is that right

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well it's near Kinderhook you know

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and of course that Ripple uncle is also

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written by Washington Irving

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and you wrote it around the same time as

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and rip the Winkle of course is a

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classic story of little people

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little people that

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are supposedly the ghosts of Henry

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Hudson and This Crew but they've

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apparently been shrunken down let's do

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miniscule size for whatever reason but

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there is a connection as we show

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which I've always found very intriguing

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yes absolutely I'm right in that space

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too and the Rip Van Winkle story is

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really wild because for people who need

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a reminder rip is in the Catskill

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clothing out of the time period that's

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kind of a key thing that pops up in

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these stories and he's carrying a keg

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and he oddly knows Rip Van Winkle's name

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then Rip Van Winkle helps this guy get

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the keg to a larger group of strangely

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dressed men and he drinks from The Keg

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while they are partying and falls asleep

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and wakes up 20 years later and as you

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mentioned in the book this story

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structure is very ancient in fact it

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goes back to a first century story

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called The 70-year nap but the theme of

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finding a strangely dressed person in a

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remote area who leads you to a larger

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group of those people sometimes

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underground and there's music playing

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gives you food and drink and it causes

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you to have a crazy spell of missing

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time that is a story that's retold so

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many times you start to wonder if

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there's truth in it

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well yeah it's the classic fairy

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abduction story and of course the alert

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listener may may realize that it also

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Bears a lot of similarities to alien

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abduction stories

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which I also find very fascinating

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the fact that there's missing time

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involved I always thought was very

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back in ancient times nobody knew

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anything about Einstein's theory of

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relativity or any of that stuff

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and yet the stories always say that time

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passes differently in Fairyland or elf

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land than it does here

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I always thought that was a very

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interesting detail where did they come

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you got me but it's you know in the book

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I say that I don't really

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have any answers to these questions so I

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just raised the questions

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and it's up to somebody else to find the

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answers because

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I've had these experiences that I can't

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explain throughout my life and

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what they mean

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it's all up to interpretation

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but I just find them fascinating and I I

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hope I continue to have them yes yes and

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let's get into your own personal

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sightings and experiences obviously the

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book is called the Kinderhook creature

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tell us about this creature and the

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experiences you and your family have had

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with it

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well the full title of the book is the

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Kinder creature and Beyond a personal

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reminiscence

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and

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essentially we're talking about yes a

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Bigfoot type creature pretty much of the

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classic style

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which I'm almost embarrassed to say

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because here we are in Upstate New York

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and I myself used to be skeptical of

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Bigfoot reports from this area

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because I started hearing them around

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the late 1970s

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and

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there were some that were published in a

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a magazine called the Hudson River

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Chronicle

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and I thought well okay

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interesting but I I have a hard time

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with Bigfoot in Upstate New York I mean

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I can sort of believe it in

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you know the Pacific Northwest or in the

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Himalayas but Upstate New York I don't

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know

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until

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my family and I started having our own

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experiences and that started around 1979

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when my grandmother started noticing

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and she lived in

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actually in the house I'm speaking from

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now

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which is

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you know a country house got seven acres

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of land right in the

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edge of the Woods

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and

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she noticed that something was taking

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her trash bags off her back porch

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and it was taking them down into the

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middle of the yard

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untying them

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going through the foodstuffs and taking

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all leftover food out

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now a raccoon or a bear for example

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would not untie a trash bag that would

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just tear it apart and there'd be a mess

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all over the lawn but there wasn't

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it was pretty neat

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it's just that it took what it wanted

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and left

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and

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turned out that a neighbor

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a woman who lived across the woods

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had reported that her trash bag was

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taken and hung up in a tree

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so this was all pretty strange but my

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grandmother didn't tell anybody about

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this for a while until

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my cousin Barry who at the time was a

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teenager

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was trapping and hunting in a nearby

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swampy area called Cushing's Hill

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and he came back to the house one day to

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my grandmother's house and I was here

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and his face was white as a sheet and he

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said he had just seen three

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two-legged creatures walk across the

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creek

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and they were making clacking and

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grunting sounds

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and they had reddish brown hair or fur

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and this was in broad daylight by the

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way

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so

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you know right away I I went down to the

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swamp with them and we looked all over

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the place we couldn't find any tracks of

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anything

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but he was terrified and he had a

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baseball bat in his

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bag that he was carrying in case he you

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know came up with any strange Critters

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but he figured that that would not be

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any match for what he saw

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so

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I didn't know what to think at that

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point

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I didn't think he was lying because he

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was genuinely scared

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and

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there were several incidents that kind

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of built up

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to the major one in the book which I'll

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get to in a minute

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the next time I remember really

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feeling strange that something weird was

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around

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I had a friend visiting from England and

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she was visiting our house and she was

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staying at another place up in

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Kinderhook

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and one evening I this was in the summer

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I took her out

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to walk up to where she was staying with

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her and just as we got out on the back

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porch of my grandparents house

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I heard this incredible ungodly noise

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coming from the woods

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it started out as a shriek or a howl

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kind of went into a series of guttural

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sounds

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and then kind of died out in a low moan

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and my English friend looked at me and

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said is that a typical American sound

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here at night and I said nope never

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heard that one before

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and I wasn't about to go into the woods

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at that hour I mean it was dark and that

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sound just did not make me want to go

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towards the thing

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so I didn't investigate that I kind of

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wish I had

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but

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it all came to a head a couple of months

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later in September

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when I was out visiting some friends in

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the evening

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and I got a call

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at the restaurant where we were

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dining and having a few drinks and

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it was from my grandmother and she said

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please come over here there's something

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outside the house I don't know what it

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is but it's making a horrible noise

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I'm scared to death and I thought well

430
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that's really strange that she would

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call me

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here at the restaurant to tell me that I

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mean she was not the type to be afraid

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of anything

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so

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I got in my car and I took about 10 or

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15 minutes to get home but by then

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I'd missed all the excitement

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turned out that

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my Aunt Barbara had brought my

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grandmother home from her house and just

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as my grandmother had gotten out of the

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car I heard this horrible noise from

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around

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the shed in the back of the house

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the noise was she said like somebody

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00:17:17,030 --> 00:17:14,400
moaning or groaning almost like a person

448
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in pain except that it went on and on

449
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and on and it had a series of different

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noises mixed in and that sounded a lot

451
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like what I had heard

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then

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my grandmother decided to go in the

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house and my aunt decided to go back and

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get my cousin Barry who had a shotgun

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and so she brought him back

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and he stood out on the back porch he

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couldn't see anything but he shot up

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into the air and whatever the thing was

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it screamed he said

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and you showed up in the air a second

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time and this time he said flame came

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out of the barrel of the gun

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and the thing screamed and ran off

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although he felt that there may have

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been more than one you thought there

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were maybe two things that ran off

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so by the time I got home this was all

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over

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it had been scared Away by by the

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gunfire and when I talked to my

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grandmother she said that

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first of all it was a really big full

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moon that night I remember that very

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vividly the moon was like the size of a

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basketball in the sky and she said she

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could see a shadow around the corner of

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the shed of whatever was making this

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noise and she said it was very tall had

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long arms

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and sort of a conical shaped head almost

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a pointed head

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and I thought well that's a classic

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Bigfoot description isn't it

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um

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so

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that was kind of the beginning of a lot

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of activity here

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my mother had heard

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but I should say my parents live

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about a quarter mile down the road

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and they had heard a lot of the activity

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there the gunshots I guess they heard

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some of the screaming

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so my mother wrote a letter to the

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Albany New York newspaper the Times

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Union

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there was a columnist there named Barney

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Fowler who

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wrote a column about

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the outdoors

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and

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asked his readers if they had heard

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anything similar or encountered anything

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similar to this

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and shortly after that he was deluged

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with letters from people all over

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Columbia County and neighboring counties

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saying that they had either seen or

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heard

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similar things

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these strange noises they couldn't

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account for

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one woman at a sighting which was very

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impressive she said that

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she was driving home from Albany one

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night and

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this large ape-like creature across the

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road in front of her and she said it was

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seven to eight feet tall had reddish

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brown hair

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its arms were swinging she said

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gracefully and she said it looked like a

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highly evolved ape

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and it walked off into the cornfield

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across the road and disappeared

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so you had sightings you had

528
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you know vocalizations all kinds of

529
00:20:26,029 --> 00:20:21,059
weird things going on

530
00:20:27,529 --> 00:20:26,039
and so Barney Fowler's column was it got

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to a point where he finally had to call

532
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a halt he said okay I think we've

533
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overdone this

534
00:20:33,970 --> 00:20:33,179
we'll get on to some different topics

535
00:20:36,890 --> 00:20:33,980
now

536
00:20:39,710 --> 00:20:36,900
but it was pretty amazing that how many

537
00:20:42,890 --> 00:20:39,720
people responded to that yeah I love it

538
00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:42,900
and just the wide range of accounts

539
00:20:48,529 --> 00:20:45,720
within your family had a lot of

540
00:20:50,750 --> 00:20:48,539
credibility to it multiple people seeing

541
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it at one time then there's a story of

542
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your grandma seeing it curled up outside

543
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her window one time and this is going on

544
00:21:01,549 --> 00:20:58,500
over a time period of a couple of years

545
00:21:04,610 --> 00:21:01,559
I suppose yep when was the last time

546
00:21:06,230 --> 00:21:04,620
anyone in your family heard or saw

547
00:21:08,810 --> 00:21:06,240
something like this

548
00:21:10,549 --> 00:21:08,820
well in my family it was probably it's

549
00:21:13,370 --> 00:21:10,559
been a while

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I would say around the end of the 80s or

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so

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guess 30 years damn doesn't seem

553
00:21:25,610 --> 00:21:23,870
why that is I don't know

554
00:21:27,350 --> 00:21:25,620
you know I had a theory for a while that

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00:21:29,570 --> 00:21:27,360
my cousin shooting off his gun might

556
00:21:32,330 --> 00:21:29,580
have just you know scared it out of the

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00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:32,340
neighborhood I don't know

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00:21:37,010 --> 00:21:34,559
on the other hand there is a lot of

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00:21:38,930 --> 00:21:37,020
building going on in this area a lot of

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00:21:41,390 --> 00:21:38,940
houses have gone up since then

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00:21:43,970 --> 00:21:41,400
so you know if this thing is a natural

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00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,980
creature of some sort a biological

563
00:21:48,590 --> 00:21:46,080
creature rather than some sort of

564
00:21:51,230 --> 00:21:48,600
paranormal entity

565
00:21:52,549 --> 00:21:51,240
is breeding ground if you will

566
00:21:57,289 --> 00:21:52,559
is

567
00:21:58,970 --> 00:21:57,299
it used to be

568
00:22:01,130 --> 00:21:58,980
you know I think that may be part of it

569
00:22:03,230 --> 00:22:01,140
I don't know

570
00:22:05,570 --> 00:22:03,240
there have been a lot of

571
00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:05,580
sightings and vocalizations south of us

572
00:22:10,430 --> 00:22:07,740
however in Duchess County which is the

573
00:22:12,409 --> 00:22:10,440
county just beneath Columbia County

574
00:22:15,409 --> 00:22:12,419
and

575
00:22:17,690 --> 00:22:15,419
I have a feeling maybe it just kind of

576
00:22:20,510 --> 00:22:17,700
moves South I don't know yeah that's

577
00:22:23,690 --> 00:22:20,520
totally possible and there's even some

578
00:22:25,669 --> 00:22:23,700
stories from 1982 just a couple years

579
00:22:27,830 --> 00:22:25,679
after this

580
00:22:30,710 --> 00:22:27,840
kind of peak experience in your family

581
00:22:32,750 --> 00:22:30,720
of white Sasquatches in the area so

582
00:22:36,169 --> 00:22:32,760
that's strange but I've heard you talk

583
00:22:40,010 --> 00:22:36,179
about these stories on other podcasts

584
00:22:42,830 --> 00:22:40,020
and I've heard you say that you tend to

585
00:22:46,250 --> 00:22:42,840
lean towards the conclusion that it is

586
00:22:48,590 --> 00:22:46,260
just some kind of physical creature or

587
00:22:51,409 --> 00:22:48,600
animal as odd as it sounds I think

588
00:22:55,730 --> 00:22:51,419
that's the least likely explanation

589
00:22:57,710 --> 00:22:55,740
because we never can seem to recover a

590
00:23:00,890 --> 00:22:57,720
body no one who encounters it is ever

591
00:23:02,750 --> 00:23:00,900
able to shoot one or kill one maybe they

592
00:23:05,450 --> 00:23:02,760
bury their dead that's brought up in the

593
00:23:07,970 --> 00:23:05,460
book but oftentimes when people see

594
00:23:10,789 --> 00:23:07,980
these things they just vanish they

595
00:23:12,409 --> 00:23:10,799
either take a few steps and dissipate or

596
00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:12,419
they just can't

597
00:23:19,010 --> 00:23:15,659
see it go away the really weird things

598
00:23:22,070 --> 00:23:19,020
tend to happen and again maybe it is

599
00:23:24,830 --> 00:23:22,080
like not seen anymore because of the

600
00:23:27,230 --> 00:23:24,840
building in the area maybe it's just not

601
00:23:29,690 --> 00:23:27,240
that it's its natural habitat but just

602
00:23:32,090 --> 00:23:29,700
you don't see these things if you're not

603
00:23:33,890 --> 00:23:32,100
embedded in nature perhaps maybe it

604
00:23:36,289 --> 00:23:33,900
lives underground that's another theory

605
00:23:37,789 --> 00:23:36,299
I've heard proposed but really when you

606
00:23:41,270 --> 00:23:37,799
get into the details of these stories

607
00:23:43,610 --> 00:23:41,280
it's so strange I can't imagine it being

608
00:23:45,710 --> 00:23:43,620
a real physical creature

609
00:23:48,049 --> 00:23:45,720
well you know I go back and forth on

610
00:23:49,669 --> 00:23:48,059
that and as I say I don't really

611
00:23:52,850 --> 00:23:49,679
come to any

612
00:23:56,210 --> 00:23:52,860
actual conclusions I mean I I tend to

613
00:23:58,250 --> 00:23:56,220
think scientifically

614
00:23:59,810 --> 00:23:58,260
but on the other hand there have been

615
00:24:01,310 --> 00:23:59,820
some experiences that I've had with

616
00:24:04,669 --> 00:24:01,320
these things that

617
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,679
don't add up physically for example the

618
00:24:08,870 --> 00:24:06,720
tracks that I found in the snow that

619
00:24:11,149 --> 00:24:08,880
ended in the middle of a field yeah yeah

620
00:24:13,789 --> 00:24:11,159
there you go that I can't really explain

621
00:24:16,730 --> 00:24:13,799
unless I mean a flying Bigfoot is too

622
00:24:18,590 --> 00:24:16,740
much even for me so it's uh does it

623
00:24:20,870 --> 00:24:18,600
disappear into another Dimensions I

624
00:24:23,090 --> 00:24:20,880
don't know but I did have an experience

625
00:24:25,549 --> 00:24:23,100
in 1982

626
00:24:28,190 --> 00:24:25,559
in which I went to this location which

627
00:24:30,230 --> 00:24:28,200
we dubbed Bigfoot Bridge

628
00:24:32,870 --> 00:24:30,240
because a number of tracks were found

629
00:24:36,230 --> 00:24:32,880
underneath the bridge by a hunter

630
00:24:38,750 --> 00:24:36,240
and I made plaster casts of those

631
00:24:40,490 --> 00:24:38,760
so it seemed to be a hot spot so I

632
00:24:42,169 --> 00:24:40,500
decided one night to just

633
00:24:44,750 --> 00:24:42,179
on the way back from work I was working

634
00:24:46,610 --> 00:24:44,760
in radio at the time and I

635
00:24:48,049 --> 00:24:46,620
I decided on the spur of the moment just

636
00:24:49,850 --> 00:24:48,059
to go over to Bigfoot bridge and just

637
00:24:51,409 --> 00:24:49,860
you know sit there for a while see if

638
00:24:53,690 --> 00:24:51,419
anything happened

639
00:24:54,890 --> 00:24:53,700
which was kind of a dumb idea because I

640
00:24:56,690 --> 00:24:54,900
didn't have a camera I didn't have a

641
00:24:58,850 --> 00:24:56,700
tape recorder or anything else

642
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:58,860
but I just I don't know it was a spur of

643
00:25:04,010 --> 00:25:02,159
the moment thing so I parked the car and

644
00:25:05,570 --> 00:25:04,020
turned out the lights

645
00:25:07,610 --> 00:25:05,580
and it was a kind of a spooky night

646
00:25:09,710 --> 00:25:07,620
anyway I mean they were

647
00:25:11,630 --> 00:25:09,720
on the way over at Black Cat across my

648
00:25:14,270 --> 00:25:11,640
path so I should have known something

649
00:25:16,430 --> 00:25:14,280
was up but

650
00:25:18,529 --> 00:25:16,440
you know it was a very quiet night at

651
00:25:19,970 --> 00:25:18,539
first and then I just kind of decided

652
00:25:21,830 --> 00:25:19,980
okay well I'm gonna

653
00:25:23,630 --> 00:25:21,840
I'm going to count to a hundred and by

654
00:25:25,610 --> 00:25:23,640
the time I reach 100 if nothing happens

655
00:25:28,070 --> 00:25:25,620
I'm gonna go home

656
00:25:32,510 --> 00:25:28,080
so I was getting up into the 80s or 90s

657
00:25:35,090 --> 00:25:32,520
I think when I heard a sound from this

658
00:25:37,610 --> 00:25:35,100
little group of trees across the road

659
00:25:41,029 --> 00:25:37,620
which to me sounded like two big monkeys

660
00:25:44,149 --> 00:25:41,039
trying to talk to each other chattering

661
00:25:45,830 --> 00:25:44,159
and I really wanted to get out of the

662
00:25:48,010 --> 00:25:45,840
car I really did

663
00:25:52,730 --> 00:25:48,020
but my legs wouldn't cooperate at first

664
00:25:54,769 --> 00:25:52,740
I admit I was a little scared about that

665
00:25:56,450 --> 00:25:54,779
by the time I finally got up the nerve

666
00:25:59,029 --> 00:25:56,460
to get out of the car and go across the

667
00:26:01,730 --> 00:25:59,039
road the noise stopped that was

668
00:26:03,890 --> 00:26:01,740
predictable I suppose

669
00:26:05,269 --> 00:26:03,900
but at the same moment that the noise

670
00:26:08,390 --> 00:26:05,279
stopped

671
00:26:10,310 --> 00:26:08,400
I saw ahead of me there was far in the

672
00:26:11,510 --> 00:26:10,320
distance a light coming out from behind

673
00:26:13,190 --> 00:26:11,520
the trees

674
00:26:15,890 --> 00:26:13,200
just a white light

675
00:26:18,169 --> 00:26:15,900
and it went straight up into the sky and

676
00:26:20,890 --> 00:26:18,179
just disappeared

677
00:26:23,990 --> 00:26:20,900
now what the connection was I don't know

678
00:26:25,250 --> 00:26:24,000
or was there a connection but it's

679
00:26:26,390 --> 00:26:25,260
another one of those things I can't

680
00:26:28,549 --> 00:26:26,400
explain

681
00:26:31,730 --> 00:26:28,559
yeah and you know the Kinderhook

682
00:26:34,510 --> 00:26:31,740
creature it gets top billing in the book

683
00:26:37,390 --> 00:26:34,520
title but there are far stranger

684
00:26:39,649 --> 00:26:37,400
sightings that you've had

685
00:26:42,049 --> 00:26:39,659
including this

686
00:26:44,750 --> 00:26:42,059
I guess thing that was seen multiple

687
00:26:47,450 --> 00:26:44,760
times that you just call the blob and

688
00:26:50,990 --> 00:26:47,460
the depictions of it in the book are

689
00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:51,000
really wild they kind of look like uh

690
00:26:55,549 --> 00:26:53,640
ghost like in an old Mickey Mouse

691
00:26:57,529 --> 00:26:55,559
cartoon an old black and white cartoon

692
00:27:00,710 --> 00:26:57,539
or it looks like a floating bowling ball

693
00:27:03,289 --> 00:27:00,720
with a sheet over it to a degree but

694
00:27:05,810 --> 00:27:03,299
this is strange talk to us about this

695
00:27:08,630 --> 00:27:05,820
it is very strange

696
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:08,640
back when I was 9 or 10 years old

697
00:27:15,169 --> 00:27:12,240
my cousin Sherry that's Barry's sister

698
00:27:17,330 --> 00:27:15,179
she and I were playing in the woods at

699
00:27:18,649 --> 00:27:17,340
the top of the hill behind the house and

700
00:27:22,070 --> 00:27:18,659
it's

701
00:27:24,769 --> 00:27:22,080
a lot of woods there and

702
00:27:26,570 --> 00:27:24,779
it was just before Sunset and I heard

703
00:27:27,890 --> 00:27:26,580
this noise like a high-pitched whistling

704
00:27:31,070 --> 00:27:27,900
sound

705
00:27:32,750 --> 00:27:31,080
and I turned around and I saw

706
00:27:34,970 --> 00:27:32,760
something that seemed to be looking at

707
00:27:36,769 --> 00:27:34,980
me from behind a tree even though it had

708
00:27:38,690 --> 00:27:36,779
no eyes I said it was looking because I

709
00:27:42,049 --> 00:27:38,700
felt it was looking at me

710
00:27:43,370 --> 00:27:42,059
and it was just this big bulbous bluish

711
00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:43,380
white shape

712
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:45,600
I likened it to Casper the Friendly

713
00:27:53,330 --> 00:27:50,630
and

714
00:27:55,730 --> 00:27:53,340
I was so startled by this Apparition

715
00:27:58,070 --> 00:27:55,740
that I I said to Sherry let's get out of

716
00:28:00,289 --> 00:27:58,080
here and we just ran down the hill

717
00:28:03,169 --> 00:28:00,299
didn't look back

718
00:28:05,210 --> 00:28:03,179
so that you know I kind of chopped that

719
00:28:07,789 --> 00:28:05,220
up to okay that was a weird thing that

720
00:28:08,810 --> 00:28:07,799
happened in my childhood but two years

721
00:28:11,510 --> 00:28:08,820
later

722
00:28:13,490 --> 00:28:11,520
a friend of mine actually my best friend

723
00:28:15,529 --> 00:28:13,500
and when I was a kid this kid named

724
00:28:17,390 --> 00:28:15,539
Jerome

725
00:28:18,590 --> 00:28:17,400
he was down in the woods by himself he

726
00:28:21,649 --> 00:28:18,600
was

727
00:28:23,269 --> 00:28:21,659
at the house

728
00:28:24,950 --> 00:28:23,279
and

729
00:28:27,830 --> 00:28:24,960
as I was coming out the door he came

730
00:28:29,690 --> 00:28:27,840
running up to the house saying that he

731
00:28:31,669 --> 00:28:29,700
had seen something

732
00:28:33,950 --> 00:28:31,679
that scared him so much down in the

733
00:28:36,710 --> 00:28:33,960
woods that he had jumped over a pond and

734
00:28:38,390 --> 00:28:36,720
the pond was close to six feet wide as I

735
00:28:40,070 --> 00:28:38,400
remember

736
00:28:42,110 --> 00:28:40,080
and he said it was

737
00:28:44,570 --> 00:28:42,120
he called it a blob

738
00:28:47,450 --> 00:28:44,580
and it came down the hill towards him he

739
00:28:48,830 --> 00:28:47,460
said it kind of floated down the hill

740
00:28:50,510 --> 00:28:48,840
so

741
00:28:51,890 --> 00:28:50,520
I wasn't sure if he was pulling my leg

742
00:28:54,769 --> 00:28:51,900
or not

743
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,779
it didn't look like he was because he

744
00:28:58,130 --> 00:28:56,880
looked real like he was really scared

745
00:29:00,590 --> 00:28:58,140
so

746
00:29:02,870 --> 00:29:00,600
you know being uh 12 year olds we

747
00:29:05,390 --> 00:29:02,880
decided okay we're gonna find this thing

748
00:29:06,169 --> 00:29:05,400
and I took a pitchfork and he took some

749
00:29:08,149 --> 00:29:06,179
other

750
00:29:10,130 --> 00:29:08,159
farm implement of death I don't know

751
00:29:13,370 --> 00:29:10,140
what it was and we went down in the

752
00:29:15,049 --> 00:29:13,380
woods to see if they can find this thing

753
00:29:16,490 --> 00:29:15,059
and

754
00:29:17,630 --> 00:29:16,500
you know we were walking through the

755
00:29:20,570 --> 00:29:17,640
woods together and then all of a sudden

756
00:29:22,250 --> 00:29:20,580
he stopped and he pointed ahead

757
00:29:24,110 --> 00:29:22,260
it was like you couldn't say anything he

758
00:29:25,909 --> 00:29:24,120
was too scared

759
00:29:27,289 --> 00:29:25,919
he was pointing toward this tree and I

760
00:29:28,789 --> 00:29:27,299
looked at the tree and there sure enough

761
00:29:31,250 --> 00:29:28,799
there's something up in the tree that

762
00:29:34,250 --> 00:29:31,260
was like a white shape

763
00:29:36,590 --> 00:29:34,260
and being 12 years old we were

764
00:29:40,250 --> 00:29:36,600
incredibly courageous so I said let's

765
00:29:43,789 --> 00:29:42,289
that was not the last time it was seen

766
00:29:47,930 --> 00:29:43,799
though

767
00:29:50,029 --> 00:29:47,940
about 15 or so years later

768
00:29:52,490 --> 00:29:50,039
two of my cousins were down in the woods

769
00:29:54,409 --> 00:29:52,500
and they had built a lean-to down there

770
00:29:57,409 --> 00:29:54,419
and they were in pretty much the same

771
00:30:00,649 --> 00:29:57,419
area where we had had our sightings

772
00:30:05,029 --> 00:30:00,659
and this was in an afternoon

773
00:30:07,310 --> 00:30:05,039
and they saw they said later

774
00:30:09,830 --> 00:30:07,320
this entity this whatever it was

775
00:30:12,049 --> 00:30:09,840
Apparition coming down the hill

776
00:30:14,690 --> 00:30:12,059
now what was interesting is that my

777
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:14,700
cousin Barry who's Protestant

778
00:30:19,970 --> 00:30:17,279
and this is important to remember he's

779
00:30:21,409 --> 00:30:19,980
Protestant he saw a bell-shaped object

780
00:30:24,409 --> 00:30:21,419
coming down the hill

781
00:30:27,950 --> 00:30:24,419
my other cousin Russell who's Catholic

782
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:27,960
saw the Virgin Mary coming down the hill

783
00:30:34,070 --> 00:30:31,260
that I thought was very intriguing yes

784
00:30:35,570 --> 00:30:34,080
it sort of implies that whatever this

785
00:30:37,130 --> 00:30:35,580
thing was

786
00:30:42,110 --> 00:30:37,140
it

787
00:30:45,950 --> 00:30:44,870
I don't know I I can't again I can't

788
00:30:48,470 --> 00:30:45,960
explain it

789
00:30:51,710 --> 00:30:48,480
and a few years after that my father was

790
00:30:53,029 --> 00:30:51,720
out in his tractor he had a he used to

791
00:30:54,830 --> 00:30:53,039
do a lot of

792
00:30:56,930 --> 00:30:54,840
not really farming but he had a garden

793
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,940
and he you know he'd take care of the

794
00:30:59,870 --> 00:30:58,080
property

795
00:31:02,570 --> 00:30:59,880
so he was having this tractor one day

796
00:31:03,730 --> 00:31:02,580
and he saw this white object fly over

797
00:31:07,130 --> 00:31:03,740
his head

798
00:31:08,690 --> 00:31:07,140
and over into the trees in the woods

799
00:31:11,269 --> 00:31:08,700
Beyond

800
00:31:14,690 --> 00:31:11,279
and he described it in much the same way

801
00:31:16,810 --> 00:31:14,700
as sort of this big amorphous shape

802
00:31:20,029 --> 00:31:16,820
and that was back around

803
00:31:21,830 --> 00:31:20,039
1990 or their best

804
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:21,840
but there has been a more recent

805
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:24,720
sighting of this thing the kinderglob

806
00:31:29,269 --> 00:31:27,059
has taken on a life of its own there are

807
00:31:31,010 --> 00:31:29,279
a couple of websites actually dedicated

808
00:31:33,909 --> 00:31:31,020
to it believe it or not

809
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:33,919
there's a blob blog

810
00:31:40,789 --> 00:31:37,679
and on the blog I found out that there

811
00:31:44,570 --> 00:31:40,799
were a couple of people two guys

812
00:31:46,970 --> 00:31:44,580
who saw it in 2017 and they described it

813
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:46,980
almost exactly the same as

814
00:31:51,289 --> 00:31:48,799
other people had

815
00:31:53,330 --> 00:31:51,299
they said that first they heard a

816
00:31:57,110 --> 00:31:53,340
whistling sound

817
00:31:59,870 --> 00:31:57,120
when they looked overhead this big white

818
00:32:01,730 --> 00:31:59,880
Blobby thing was flying over them

819
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,740
and this was again somewhere around

820
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:03,419
Kinder okay I haven't been able to get

821
00:32:08,210 --> 00:32:06,240
these guys to respond to requests for

822
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:08,220
interviews I have a feeling they're

823
00:32:12,529 --> 00:32:09,840
probably a little sheepish about it as

824
00:32:14,269 --> 00:32:12,539
many people might be but I know their

825
00:32:16,549 --> 00:32:14,279
names and one of these days I'm gonna

826
00:32:18,649 --> 00:32:16,559
talk to them directly and

827
00:32:21,470 --> 00:32:18,659
get their story firsthand but I just

828
00:32:25,010 --> 00:32:21,480
thought that was fascinating that The

829
00:32:27,529 --> 00:32:25,020
Legend Continues yeah this is one of my

830
00:32:29,810 --> 00:32:27,539
favorite entities that you cover in the

831
00:32:33,049 --> 00:32:29,820
book because it is just so strange and

832
00:32:36,769 --> 00:32:33,059
defies the typical categories we put

833
00:32:41,510 --> 00:32:36,779
these things in and that theme of

834
00:32:43,970 --> 00:32:41,520
looking at a strange entity and then it

835
00:32:45,889 --> 00:32:43,980
kind of morphing into something that

836
00:32:47,750 --> 00:32:45,899
jives with your religious convictions

837
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:47,760
yeah is something we've heard before

838
00:32:54,769 --> 00:32:50,340
it's like the Our Lady of Fatima

839
00:32:58,190 --> 00:32:54,779
sightings it's uh perhaps the glowing

840
00:33:01,250 --> 00:32:58,200
cross in the sky that people have seen I

841
00:33:03,889 --> 00:33:01,260
don't know why it doesn't jive with

842
00:33:05,870 --> 00:33:03,899
other things that a person could be

843
00:33:09,289 --> 00:33:05,880
interested in it always seems to come

844
00:33:11,510 --> 00:33:09,299
back to their religious beliefs for some

845
00:33:13,430 --> 00:33:11,520
reason and it makes me think about that

846
00:33:15,110 --> 00:33:13,440
connection you mentioned about fairies

847
00:33:18,649 --> 00:33:15,120
and aliens

848
00:33:22,009 --> 00:33:18,659
it's almost as if there was some kind of

849
00:33:25,730 --> 00:33:22,019
potentially an experiment done with

850
00:33:29,210 --> 00:33:25,740
Hollywood with the Deep State CIA

851
00:33:32,750 --> 00:33:29,220
whatever military men to kind of see

852
00:33:36,950 --> 00:33:32,760
what would happen perhaps if they spun

853
00:33:39,110 --> 00:33:36,960
some of these stories into a Sci-Fi lens

854
00:33:40,549 --> 00:33:39,120
and then people of course they see these

855
00:33:42,289 --> 00:33:40,559
things and then maybe they associate

856
00:33:44,389 --> 00:33:42,299
with aliens I don't know I do think

857
00:33:48,529 --> 00:33:44,399
there's a Continuum of these little

858
00:33:50,509 --> 00:33:48,539
green creatures from Ireland right on up

859
00:33:52,669 --> 00:33:50,519
to you know the Sci-Fi stuff we have

860
00:33:54,830 --> 00:33:52,679
today but I could see an experiment

861
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:54,840
being undergone where it's like what if

862
00:34:00,710 --> 00:33:58,200
we color this there was through a

863
00:34:03,710 --> 00:34:00,720
certain lens and then see if what people

864
00:34:06,230 --> 00:34:03,720
see starts to be things more of that

865
00:34:08,270 --> 00:34:06,240
type I don't know that's a an

866
00:34:10,490 --> 00:34:08,280
explanation that I know there's many

867
00:34:12,889 --> 00:34:10,500
many stories that wouldn't fit into that

868
00:34:15,050 --> 00:34:12,899
mold but it's something I don't know

869
00:34:16,970 --> 00:34:15,060
it's just weird what do you make of that

870
00:34:18,950 --> 00:34:16,980
you think it's reading people's minds or

871
00:34:21,950 --> 00:34:18,960
do you think people's minds are trying

872
00:34:24,770 --> 00:34:21,960
to flip through what it knows to to find

873
00:34:26,930 --> 00:34:24,780
a box to put this thing in

874
00:34:28,190 --> 00:34:26,940
you know my gut feeling is it's the

875
00:34:31,490 --> 00:34:28,200
latter

876
00:34:33,290 --> 00:34:31,500
I have no way of proving that but

877
00:34:36,470 --> 00:34:33,300
did you ever read a book called passport

878
00:34:38,210 --> 00:34:36,480
to Magonia by Jacque Valley oh yeah a

879
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:38,220
good one a great one yeah I should have

880
00:34:42,889 --> 00:34:41,040
known you yeah yeah I mean he he

881
00:34:44,149 --> 00:34:42,899
postulates such interesting things in

882
00:34:46,849 --> 00:34:44,159
that book about

883
00:34:51,470 --> 00:34:46,859
you know the sort of cosmic Joker that

884
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:51,480
may exist that plays tricks on our puny

885
00:34:55,010 --> 00:34:53,220
human Minds

886
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:55,020
and that sort of leads into my theory

887
00:35:01,010 --> 00:34:58,320
about aliens and UFOs

888
00:35:02,750 --> 00:35:01,020
it seems to me that they are some of the

889
00:35:04,070 --> 00:35:02,760
things that they're accused of doing are

890
00:35:06,170 --> 00:35:04,080
so strange

891
00:35:08,210 --> 00:35:06,180
that I don't think extraterrestrial even

892
00:35:10,569 --> 00:35:08,220
covers it

893
00:35:14,450 --> 00:35:10,579
it almost seems as if they're

894
00:35:17,450 --> 00:35:14,460
interdimensional or from another time or

895
00:35:18,890 --> 00:35:17,460
I don't know what but

896
00:35:22,069 --> 00:35:18,900
and there does seem to be a connection

897
00:35:25,430 --> 00:35:22,079
with the the old fairy stories

898
00:35:28,670 --> 00:35:25,440
which have so many parallels

899
00:35:31,010 --> 00:35:28,680
I mean it's hard to find anything in the

900
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:31,020
old fairy abduction tales that you can't

901
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,000
find in modern day alien abduction Tales

902
00:35:41,150 --> 00:35:38,160
so that to me indicates it's the same

903
00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,160
phenomenon but what that phenomenon is I

904
00:35:46,010 --> 00:35:43,560
can't say for sure is it a phenomenon of

905
00:35:48,170 --> 00:35:46,020
the human mind or is it a phenomenon

906
00:35:51,170 --> 00:35:48,180
that's physical

907
00:35:54,050 --> 00:35:51,180
but maybe not of our

908
00:35:56,990 --> 00:35:54,060
Dimension I don't know yeah I don't know

909
00:35:58,250 --> 00:35:57,000
Charles Ford Charles Ford used to say

910
00:35:59,930 --> 00:35:58,260
that

911
00:36:01,730 --> 00:35:59,940
I present

912
00:36:03,170 --> 00:36:01,740
the evidence here and I'll make of it

913
00:36:04,550 --> 00:36:03,180
what you will that's pretty much my

914
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,560
attitude

915
00:36:08,870 --> 00:36:06,420
because I don't I don't try to draw any

916
00:36:11,510 --> 00:36:08,880
foregone conclusions because I think

917
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:11,520
once you've done that then you kind of

918
00:36:14,569 --> 00:36:12,900
made up your mind

919
00:36:16,450 --> 00:36:14,579
and you're not going to necessarily

920
00:36:18,589 --> 00:36:16,460
follow the evidence where it leads

921
00:36:19,609 --> 00:36:18,599
whereas if you just kind of keep an open

922
00:36:21,290 --> 00:36:19,619
mind

923
00:36:24,710 --> 00:36:21,300
then maybe you'll actually discover

924
00:36:27,829 --> 00:36:24,720
something totally new and unexpected

925
00:36:31,490 --> 00:36:27,839
yeah so I like to keep that attitude

926
00:36:34,490 --> 00:36:31,500
but I do find it very intriguing that

927
00:36:36,410 --> 00:36:34,500
these Tales are so old and yet so

928
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:36,420
current mm-hmm

929
00:36:40,430 --> 00:36:37,920
and

930
00:36:42,829 --> 00:36:40,440
I mean aliens are usually little aren't

931
00:36:44,750 --> 00:36:42,839
they they're usually about the size of a

932
00:36:47,930 --> 00:36:44,760
child or maybe a little larger

933
00:36:49,910 --> 00:36:47,940
just like the fairies

934
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:49,920
and the fairies used to abduct people

935
00:36:56,690 --> 00:36:52,920
and they would keep them in their fairy

936
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:56,700
Mounds or wherever they they went

937
00:37:02,270 --> 00:36:59,940
for maybe uh you know a week or two but

938
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:02,280
when the person came out of the fairy

939
00:37:04,849 --> 00:37:03,119
Mound

940
00:37:06,290 --> 00:37:04,859
they'd find that years and years had

941
00:37:08,990 --> 00:37:06,300
passed

942
00:37:11,390 --> 00:37:09,000
that's quite similar to what happens to

943
00:37:14,870 --> 00:37:11,400
people with missing time

944
00:37:16,010 --> 00:37:14,880
it all goes kind of in a circle and I

945
00:37:21,530 --> 00:37:16,020
just

946
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:21,540
it from there yes yes I've even thought

947
00:37:27,770 --> 00:37:24,420
that it's interesting how the classic

948
00:37:30,589 --> 00:37:27,780
Flying Saucer the Dome kind of has a

949
00:37:33,470 --> 00:37:30,599
mound shape to it and these fairies are

950
00:37:35,390 --> 00:37:33,480
supposed to be from the Mounds and also

951
00:37:37,730 --> 00:37:35,400
you mentioned the missing time just the

952
00:37:40,490 --> 00:37:37,740
similarities in the descriptions of the

953
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:40,500
beans but also their behaviors and

954
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:43,320
interests like you mentioned stealing

955
00:37:49,849 --> 00:37:46,380
babies abducting people they seem to be

956
00:37:54,410 --> 00:37:49,859
really interested in our genetics or in

957
00:37:57,050 --> 00:37:54,420
mating or in cross breeding and that's a

958
00:37:59,270 --> 00:37:57,060
curious thing yeah and then if you want

959
00:38:02,210 --> 00:37:59,280
to you know get into some real wild

960
00:38:03,950 --> 00:38:02,220
conjecture I mean what if they're what

961
00:38:05,329 --> 00:38:03,960
if they're us from the future you know

962
00:38:07,970 --> 00:38:05,339
what if they

963
00:38:10,310 --> 00:38:07,980
are evolved human beings

964
00:38:12,770 --> 00:38:10,320
who have gone back in time

965
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:12,780
to you know try and

966
00:38:17,270 --> 00:38:15,000
help the race along because apparently

967
00:38:18,109 --> 00:38:17,280
the race is not doing so well in the

968
00:38:20,270 --> 00:38:18,119
future

969
00:38:24,410 --> 00:38:20,280
and maybe that's why they're so

970
00:38:26,630 --> 00:38:24,420
interested in our reproductive selves

971
00:38:30,290 --> 00:38:26,640
I don't know you know again

972
00:38:32,329 --> 00:38:30,300
you can make all kinds of conjectures

973
00:38:33,890 --> 00:38:32,339
there's no proof of any of it but then

974
00:38:35,810 --> 00:38:33,900
again

975
00:38:37,310 --> 00:38:35,820
there was no proof of evolution until

976
00:38:40,670 --> 00:38:37,320
Darwin so

977
00:38:43,490 --> 00:38:40,680
fair and I had this quote from the book

978
00:38:45,650 --> 00:38:43,500
about the genetic component to fairy

979
00:38:47,630 --> 00:38:45,660
stories you write the good people also

980
00:38:49,670 --> 00:38:47,640
had an exception uh had an obsession

981
00:38:51,470 --> 00:38:49,680
with human reproduction stealing newborn

982
00:38:53,750 --> 00:38:51,480
human babies right out of their cradles

983
00:38:56,329 --> 00:38:53,760
and taking them to Fairyland exchanging

984
00:38:58,849 --> 00:38:56,339
them with fairy babies or sometimes with

985
00:39:00,890 --> 00:38:58,859
old and ugly fairies the intention was

986
00:39:03,410 --> 00:39:00,900
to increase and improve their stock as

987
00:39:05,450 --> 00:39:03,420
for whatever reason fairy births were

988
00:39:07,910 --> 00:39:05,460
often blighted with miscarriages and

989
00:39:10,190 --> 00:39:07,920
deformities as such they would attempt

990
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:10,200
to strengthen their breed with new blood

991
00:39:16,609 --> 00:39:13,800
hours and I do find some of that to just

992
00:39:18,290 --> 00:39:16,619
be the most interesting part the strange

993
00:39:20,990 --> 00:39:18,300
genetic motivation maybe there's

994
00:39:23,210 --> 00:39:21,000
something about the ancient past and

995
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:23,220
Humanity's past that we just don't have

996
00:39:29,329 --> 00:39:26,940
context for that would explain some of

997
00:39:32,329 --> 00:39:29,339
this obviously Ancient Aliens has just

998
00:39:34,970 --> 00:39:32,339
totally taken off but the premise that

999
00:39:38,150 --> 00:39:34,980
maybe we were created in the ancient

1000
00:39:40,430 --> 00:39:38,160
past or tinkered with and that it maybe

1001
00:39:42,050 --> 00:39:40,440
these fairies were also created but they

1002
00:39:44,569 --> 00:39:42,060
weren't created as well or something

1003
00:39:47,030 --> 00:39:44,579
maybe there's a big secret in the

1004
00:39:49,370 --> 00:39:47,040
Ancient Ancient past that relates to

1005
00:39:51,950 --> 00:39:49,380
some of this it could be you know

1006
00:39:55,690 --> 00:39:51,960
Charles Ford used to say I believe that

1007
00:39:58,730 --> 00:39:55,700
we are fished for ah I like that phrase

1008
00:40:01,069 --> 00:39:58,740
It's kind of creepy but I like it

1009
00:40:03,710 --> 00:40:01,079
we our property was another one of his

1010
00:40:06,410 --> 00:40:03,720
phrases yeah yeah

1011
00:40:09,170 --> 00:40:06,420
and that was long before alien abduction

1012
00:40:10,790 --> 00:40:09,180
stories were around modern alien

1013
00:40:12,770 --> 00:40:10,800
abduction stories

1014
00:40:16,069 --> 00:40:12,780
so he was ahead of his time in that

1015
00:40:18,770 --> 00:40:16,079
respect in a lot of respects but

1016
00:40:20,690 --> 00:40:18,780
just the fact that

1017
00:40:22,550 --> 00:40:20,700
there are so many similarities to these

1018
00:40:25,250 --> 00:40:22,560
tales and I I had an experience of my

1019
00:40:28,970 --> 00:40:25,260
own which is in the book

1020
00:40:30,170 --> 00:40:28,980
in which I saw something some thing or

1021
00:40:31,670 --> 00:40:30,180
someone

1022
00:40:36,650 --> 00:40:31,680
uh

1023
00:40:38,930 --> 00:40:36,660
and what we call the back 40 of my

1024
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:38,940
grandparents property which is now our

1025
00:40:47,810 --> 00:40:44,870
one day I was I was probably in my early

1026
00:40:49,730 --> 00:40:47,820
20s I was out wandering in the the field

1027
00:40:52,430 --> 00:40:49,740
in the back which I was wanting to do in

1028
00:40:55,069 --> 00:40:52,440
those days and

1029
00:40:56,630 --> 00:40:55,079
bright sunny day and I happened to see

1030
00:40:58,370 --> 00:40:56,640
at the edge of the woods there was a guy

1031
00:41:01,310 --> 00:40:58,380
with his back to me

1032
00:41:03,890 --> 00:41:01,320
kind of a short person

1033
00:41:06,170 --> 00:41:03,900
who happened to be dressed in green

1034
00:41:08,450 --> 00:41:06,180
and he was digging

1035
00:41:11,390 --> 00:41:08,460
digging in the dirt for something

1036
00:41:13,250 --> 00:41:11,400
and I called out to the man and he

1037
00:41:14,630 --> 00:41:13,260
didn't respond at all it was as if he

1038
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:14,640
never heard me

1039
00:41:17,810 --> 00:41:16,500
and I called out to him a couple of

1040
00:41:19,370 --> 00:41:17,820
times

1041
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:19,380
and

1042
00:41:32,990 --> 00:41:30,900
Brave person she wants Chase

1043
00:41:35,569 --> 00:41:33,000
three guys who were carrying guns off

1044
00:41:37,490 --> 00:41:35,579
the property with a broom she just took

1045
00:41:39,710 --> 00:41:37,500
a broom and chased him up

1046
00:41:41,270 --> 00:41:39,720
they were hunting for deer I guess on

1047
00:41:43,490 --> 00:41:41,280
our property but anyway

1048
00:41:45,410 --> 00:41:43,500
she was that kind of person so she came

1049
00:41:47,990 --> 00:41:45,420
out with me and

1050
00:41:50,510 --> 00:41:48,000
we both called out to this man

1051
00:41:53,329 --> 00:41:50,520
and at one point he sort of half turned

1052
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:53,339
around to face us but we couldn't see

1053
00:41:58,250 --> 00:41:55,920
any features on his face and despite the

1054
00:41:59,750 --> 00:41:58,260
fact it was a bright sunny day

1055
00:42:01,250 --> 00:41:59,760
and then he just

1056
00:42:04,730 --> 00:42:01,260
turned around as if we hadn't even been

1057
00:42:06,589 --> 00:42:04,740
there and just went on digging

1058
00:42:08,930 --> 00:42:06,599
and then something even stranger

1059
00:42:11,450 --> 00:42:08,940
happened we decided to go back to the

1060
00:42:13,069 --> 00:42:11,460
house and to this day I don't know why

1061
00:42:16,609 --> 00:42:13,079
we did that

1062
00:42:19,849 --> 00:42:16,619
but what's really odd about this is that

1063
00:42:22,250 --> 00:42:19,859
I don't recall actually walking back to

1064
00:42:24,050 --> 00:42:22,260
the house I just recall us being back at

1065
00:42:26,089 --> 00:42:24,060
the house

1066
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:26,099
sitting at the dining room table and

1067
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:27,119
then

1068
00:42:32,690 --> 00:42:29,280
one of us said to the other

1069
00:42:37,370 --> 00:42:35,390
and so we had no good answer for that so

1070
00:42:39,230 --> 00:42:37,380
we went out to see if the man was still

1071
00:42:42,589 --> 00:42:39,240
there and he was gone

1072
00:42:45,290 --> 00:42:42,599
and there was no sign of anybody having

1073
00:42:47,030 --> 00:42:45,300
dug there

1074
00:42:49,250 --> 00:42:47,040
that was one of the strangest things

1075
00:42:51,470 --> 00:42:49,260
that ever happened to me and I I can't

1076
00:42:53,630 --> 00:42:51,480
account for it

1077
00:42:55,630 --> 00:42:53,640
there might have been some missing time

1078
00:42:58,910 --> 00:42:55,640
involved there I'm not sure

1079
00:43:01,670 --> 00:42:58,920
but whatever it was it was really odd

1080
00:43:03,650 --> 00:43:01,680
and I you know I had the feeling

1081
00:43:08,329 --> 00:43:03,660
that we saw something we weren't

1082
00:43:10,130 --> 00:43:08,339
supposed to see and that somehow

1083
00:43:12,589 --> 00:43:10,140
they got us back to the house so we

1084
00:43:16,250 --> 00:43:12,599
couldn't see any more I don't know yeah

1085
00:43:17,930 --> 00:43:16,260
yeah outside of the blob that was my

1086
00:43:19,309 --> 00:43:17,940
favorite story from the book I read that

1087
00:43:22,130 --> 00:43:19,319
I knew we were going to have a good time

1088
00:43:24,470 --> 00:43:22,140
but as you say he was entirely dressed

1089
00:43:27,890 --> 00:43:24,480
in green olive green shirt olive green

1090
00:43:29,930 --> 00:43:27,900
pants olive green hat that is such a

1091
00:43:32,630 --> 00:43:29,940
common theme and then also a lot of the

1092
00:43:35,089 --> 00:43:32,640
stories I hear are with these little

1093
00:43:37,370 --> 00:43:35,099
creatures digging I don't know why but

1094
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:37,380
often they're digging of course you know

1095
00:43:42,650 --> 00:43:39,359
the leprechaun and the pot of gold and

1096
00:43:45,650 --> 00:43:42,660
searching for some kind of treasure is

1097
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:45,660
in the mix of these stories but that has

1098
00:43:51,650 --> 00:43:48,420
to be one of like a couple dozen stories

1099
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:51,660
I've heard where someone stumbles upon a

1100
00:43:58,010 --> 00:43:55,020
little man who is green or is dressed in

1101
00:44:00,650 --> 00:43:58,020
green who is digging and then notices

1102
00:44:02,390 --> 00:44:00,660
that they're being seen and doesn't

1103
00:44:05,210 --> 00:44:02,400
really care it goes back to what they're

1104
00:44:08,089 --> 00:44:05,220
doing the blank slate no features in the

1105
00:44:10,309 --> 00:44:08,099
face is very strange that has got to be

1106
00:44:13,490 --> 00:44:10,319
a creepy thing to see but yeah I guess

1107
00:44:16,370 --> 00:44:13,500
also this like fairy enchantment the

1108
00:44:19,130 --> 00:44:16,380
idea that they just kind of wave you off

1109
00:44:21,230 --> 00:44:19,140
and and some mind control spell you just

1110
00:44:22,910 --> 00:44:21,240
don't seem to care anymore like you said

1111
00:44:25,609 --> 00:44:22,920
maybe there's missing time who knows why

1112
00:44:26,690 --> 00:44:25,619
you went back but a lot of curiosity in

1113
00:44:32,270 --> 00:44:26,700
that story

1114
00:44:34,730 --> 00:44:32,280
well about 50 years now probably

1115
00:44:37,010 --> 00:44:34,740
and I just

1116
00:44:40,130 --> 00:44:37,020
I still find it to be one of the

1117
00:44:42,530 --> 00:44:40,140
strangest experiences I've ever had

1118
00:44:45,589 --> 00:44:42,540
it's unsettling because it makes you

1119
00:44:48,530 --> 00:44:45,599
feel like maybe you're not entirely in

1120
00:44:50,390 --> 00:44:48,540
control you know yes maybe there are

1121
00:44:51,410 --> 00:44:50,400
other things that control us more than

1122
00:44:54,230 --> 00:44:51,420
we know

1123
00:44:56,450 --> 00:44:54,240
right and some of this stuff also makes

1124
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:56,460
me think about the possibility that over

1125
00:45:01,849 --> 00:44:58,920
the centuries they have had a successful

1126
00:45:06,050 --> 00:45:01,859
breeding program and maybe some actually

1127
00:45:10,130 --> 00:45:06,060
have learned to live among us or they

1128
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:10,140
are able to maybe be hybridized in a way

1129
00:45:14,510 --> 00:45:12,540
that if you're not really paying much

1130
00:45:16,370 --> 00:45:14,520
attention you won't notice I actually

1131
00:45:20,030 --> 00:45:16,380
have a good friend who thinks this is

1132
00:45:22,550 --> 00:45:20,040
true through the grapevine he met this

1133
00:45:25,010 --> 00:45:22,560
guy who a female friend of his was

1134
00:45:25,790 --> 00:45:25,020
dating and this guy struck him as very

1135
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:25,800
weird

1136
00:45:31,490 --> 00:45:28,560
this guy said his family goes on these

1137
00:45:35,030 --> 00:45:31,500
10-day feasts out in the woods the sky

1138
00:45:38,089 --> 00:45:35,040
had money but no job of any kind there

1139
00:45:40,130 --> 00:45:38,099
were also basic things about life that

1140
00:45:43,430 --> 00:45:40,140
this guy seemed unfamiliar with and when

1141
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:43,440
this girl had to meet this guy's mom the

1142
00:45:48,290 --> 00:45:45,780
mom was very obsessed with her genetics

1143
00:45:50,510 --> 00:45:48,300
and asking questions that were way out

1144
00:45:53,210 --> 00:45:50,520
of line for someone that you're just

1145
00:45:54,829 --> 00:45:53,220
meeting and my buddy also told me that

1146
00:45:57,170 --> 00:45:54,839
if you really took a hard look at this

1147
00:45:59,630 --> 00:45:57,180
guy's clothes they were off he noted

1148
00:46:01,190 --> 00:45:59,640
that the shoes were certainly no brand

1149
00:46:03,170 --> 00:46:01,200
he'd ever seen and he asked the dude hey

1150
00:46:05,210 --> 00:46:03,180
where'd you get these shoes and the guy

1151
00:46:08,450 --> 00:46:05,220
said he just got them second hand

1152
00:46:11,630 --> 00:46:08,460
somehow another sort of vague answer and

1153
00:46:14,569 --> 00:46:11,640
strangest of all apparently this guy had

1154
00:46:17,329 --> 00:46:14,579
a habit of putting his own stuff in

1155
00:46:18,890 --> 00:46:17,339
people's food and drink the example my

1156
00:46:21,410 --> 00:46:18,900
buddy told me is that they were making a

1157
00:46:24,410 --> 00:46:21,420
batch of coffee and this guy just went

1158
00:46:26,990 --> 00:46:24,420
and added a powder what he said was

1159
00:46:28,849 --> 00:46:27,000
herba mate tea sure well it's just a

1160
00:46:31,309 --> 00:46:28,859
powder you happen to have you call it

1161
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,319
herba mate that's a common thing that

1162
00:46:36,589 --> 00:46:33,900
makes it seem less weird but it is weird

1163
00:46:38,569 --> 00:46:36,599
and everybody was like Whoa man we don't

1164
00:46:40,970 --> 00:46:38,579
want yerba mate we're trying to make

1165
00:46:43,309 --> 00:46:40,980
coffee here you should ask before you do

1166
00:46:45,710 --> 00:46:43,319
something like that and of course that

1167
00:46:48,290 --> 00:46:45,720
is a theme with these elves and fairies

1168
00:46:50,569 --> 00:46:48,300
of the woods it's a strange thing where

1169
00:46:52,490 --> 00:46:50,579
they tend to really want you to eat

1170
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:52,500
something in these encounters a lot of

1171
00:46:56,870 --> 00:46:54,480
the times and this is just a strange

1172
00:46:59,630 --> 00:46:56,880
anecdote from a guy I have known since

1173
00:47:02,690 --> 00:46:59,640
the third grade and I trust him a lot

1174
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,700
and he has no reason to to lie about

1175
00:47:07,010 --> 00:47:05,520
this and uh I don't know but he just

1176
00:47:09,050 --> 00:47:07,020
because he looked at it with a little

1177
00:47:11,750 --> 00:47:09,060
more skeptical of an eye instead of just

1178
00:47:14,210 --> 00:47:11,760
saying this is a weird guy he kind of

1179
00:47:16,069 --> 00:47:14,220
thought well what if this isn't even a a

1180
00:47:18,589 --> 00:47:16,079
guy or what if this is like some kind of

1181
00:47:21,530 --> 00:47:18,599
hybrid because he had all these odd

1182
00:47:23,150 --> 00:47:21,540
things about his family and his past and

1183
00:47:24,950 --> 00:47:23,160
where does the money come from and what

1184
00:47:27,710 --> 00:47:24,960
are you doing in these 10-day feasts out

1185
00:47:30,650 --> 00:47:27,720
in the woods strange but maybe they're

1186
00:47:33,490 --> 00:47:30,660
Among Us man well maybe

1187
00:47:36,530 --> 00:47:33,500
that would explain it some people I know

1188
00:47:38,329 --> 00:47:36,540
but who knows I mean it's as good a

1189
00:47:40,309 --> 00:47:38,339
theory as any and of course that goes

1190
00:47:41,329 --> 00:47:40,319
back to you know the the rip from Winkle

1191
00:47:44,569 --> 00:47:41,339
story where

1192
00:47:46,010 --> 00:47:44,579
Henry Hudson offered rip you know a

1193
00:47:49,069 --> 00:47:46,020
drink

1194
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,079
and he just went into this reverie and

1195
00:47:56,390 --> 00:47:52,560
fell asleep for 20 years right right

1196
00:47:59,690 --> 00:47:56,400
so I don't know and I like when we can

1197
00:48:02,569 --> 00:47:59,700
take a modern sighting and add context

1198
00:48:04,730 --> 00:48:02,579
from the people who have lived in that

1199
00:48:06,410 --> 00:48:04,740
landscape for many many years and with

1200
00:48:09,470 --> 00:48:06,420
Native Americans it's certainly true

1201
00:48:11,930 --> 00:48:09,480
that they have pretty detailed

1202
00:48:13,970 --> 00:48:11,940
descriptions of a wide range of beans

1203
00:48:16,010 --> 00:48:13,980
that also tend to match other beings

1204
00:48:17,809 --> 00:48:16,020
seen around the world but there's a lot

1205
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:17,819
of that content in the book talk to us

1206
00:48:22,370 --> 00:48:19,680
about some of these Native American

1207
00:48:25,069 --> 00:48:22,380
stories and the categories of creatures

1208
00:48:27,650 --> 00:48:25,079
they seem to see fairly often enough to

1209
00:48:28,790 --> 00:48:27,660
name them yeah and it's interesting what

1210
00:48:33,589 --> 00:48:28,800
they named them they were called

1211
00:48:36,230 --> 00:48:33,599
pukwudgies at least by the Iroquois and

1212
00:48:40,010 --> 00:48:36,240
that's an interesting name puckwaji and

1213
00:48:43,370 --> 00:48:40,020
Puck of course was a name used for

1214
00:48:45,710 --> 00:48:43,380
fairies in the British Isles yeah and of

1215
00:48:47,809 --> 00:48:45,720
course Shakespeare used the name puck in

1216
00:48:51,349 --> 00:48:47,819
Midsummer Night's Dream

1217
00:48:55,309 --> 00:48:51,359
how odd that Native Americans would use

1218
00:48:57,770 --> 00:48:55,319
part of the same word that's true yeah

1219
00:49:00,829 --> 00:48:57,780
Puck wedgies were sort of diminutive

1220
00:49:03,230 --> 00:49:00,839
people much like the old world fairies

1221
00:49:04,910 --> 00:49:03,240
would play tricks on people

1222
00:49:07,490 --> 00:49:04,920
and

1223
00:49:09,950 --> 00:49:07,500
they behaved very much like the fairies

1224
00:49:10,970 --> 00:49:09,960
that or elves that you would find in

1225
00:49:12,589 --> 00:49:10,980
Europe

1226
00:49:15,470 --> 00:49:12,599
and especially the ones in the British

1227
00:49:18,349 --> 00:49:15,480
Isles and Ireland

1228
00:49:19,190 --> 00:49:18,359
they were notorious tricksters and they

1229
00:49:21,230 --> 00:49:19,200
also

1230
00:49:23,630 --> 00:49:21,240
occasionally abducted

1231
00:49:25,550 --> 00:49:23,640
human babies so

1232
00:49:29,089 --> 00:49:25,560
these Legends are really Universal I

1233
00:49:30,829 --> 00:49:29,099
mean they appear in places as far flung

1234
00:49:33,290 --> 00:49:30,839
as New Zealand

1235
00:49:35,089 --> 00:49:33,300
and Japan

1236
00:49:38,329 --> 00:49:35,099
and you have to wonder

1237
00:49:40,190 --> 00:49:38,339
they must be based on something if these

1238
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,200
cultures that have never communicated

1239
00:49:45,170 --> 00:49:42,480
with each other until recently

1240
00:49:48,550 --> 00:49:45,180
have these old legends that go back

1241
00:49:51,950 --> 00:49:48,560
thousands of years in some cases

1242
00:49:55,069 --> 00:49:51,960
yeah I think it was William Michael Mott

1243
00:49:57,650 --> 00:49:55,079
one time I mean in an old interview we

1244
00:49:59,930 --> 00:49:57,660
were talking about fairy lore in the

1245
00:50:02,510 --> 00:49:59,940
British Isles and he made the case that

1246
00:50:06,530 --> 00:50:02,520
if you were going to carry out some kind

1247
00:50:08,930 --> 00:50:06,540
of genetics program with human beings in

1248
00:50:11,390 --> 00:50:08,940
secret you would want them to be on

1249
00:50:13,370 --> 00:50:11,400
Islands separated from other places and

1250
00:50:15,710 --> 00:50:13,380
you mentioned New Zealand it just kind

1251
00:50:17,750 --> 00:50:15,720
of stuck out to me but of course Native

1252
00:50:20,349 --> 00:50:17,760
Americans this is a real big island for

1253
00:50:23,210 --> 00:50:20,359
any kind of like weird breeding program

1254
00:50:25,910 --> 00:50:23,220
but the fact that the majority of our

1255
00:50:28,069 --> 00:50:25,920
lore does come from that Celtic region I

1256
00:50:29,750 --> 00:50:28,079
thought that was an interesting point

1257
00:50:32,210 --> 00:50:29,760
yeah

1258
00:50:34,490 --> 00:50:32,220
I mean for whatever reason whenever

1259
00:50:36,349 --> 00:50:34,500
people think of the little people and

1260
00:50:39,170 --> 00:50:36,359
they think of Ireland or

1261
00:50:42,050 --> 00:50:39,180
Great Britain but

1262
00:50:45,530 --> 00:50:42,060
these Legends are just as ubiquitous in

1263
00:50:47,210 --> 00:50:45,540
Japan especially in the Far East

1264
00:50:49,970 --> 00:50:47,220
and

1265
00:50:53,150 --> 00:50:49,980
so similar so many parallels that it's

1266
00:50:55,329 --> 00:50:53,160
hard to believe it's this coincidence

1267
00:50:58,130 --> 00:50:55,339
and going back to some of the stories

1268
00:51:01,190 --> 00:50:58,140
that are your personal stories and your

1269
00:51:04,670 --> 00:51:01,200
family's stories you also note that your

1270
00:51:07,190 --> 00:51:04,680
grandfather was a water witch or a

1271
00:51:09,290 --> 00:51:07,200
dowser to use the less provocative term

1272
00:51:12,290 --> 00:51:09,300
but there might be some connection

1273
00:51:14,750 --> 00:51:12,300
between natural springs that your

1274
00:51:16,430 --> 00:51:14,760
grandfather tabbed into and some of

1275
00:51:18,109 --> 00:51:16,440
these creatures both the Kinderhook

1276
00:51:19,970 --> 00:51:18,119
creature and the blob if I'm not

1277
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:19,980
mistaken not getting my wires crossed

1278
00:51:23,390 --> 00:51:22,140
but talk to us about that potential

1279
00:51:26,210 --> 00:51:23,400
connection

1280
00:51:28,010 --> 00:51:26,220
yeah I mean that's an old Native

1281
00:51:31,130 --> 00:51:28,020
American Legend and actually it's an old

1282
00:51:35,450 --> 00:51:31,140
Celtic Legend as well that

1283
00:51:38,450 --> 00:51:35,460
groundwater especially underground water

1284
00:51:40,250 --> 00:51:38,460
has some connection to

1285
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:40,260
the Paranormal

1286
00:51:43,690 --> 00:51:41,760
so

1287
00:51:47,270 --> 00:51:43,700
way back in

1288
00:51:48,829 --> 00:51:47,280
1964 actually 63 we had a very bad

1289
00:51:51,770 --> 00:51:48,839
drought

1290
00:51:55,130 --> 00:51:51,780
in Upstate New York and

1291
00:51:57,589 --> 00:51:55,140
my grandfather decided to do some

1292
00:52:00,650 --> 00:51:57,599
dowsing he had done it before I guess

1293
00:52:03,109 --> 00:52:00,660
when he was young and apparently I think

1294
00:52:04,970 --> 00:52:03,119
his father had done it as well

1295
00:52:07,370 --> 00:52:04,980
and I had never seen it before I was

1296
00:52:08,930 --> 00:52:07,380
fascinated I was about 11 years old and

1297
00:52:12,049 --> 00:52:08,940
he uh

1298
00:52:14,870 --> 00:52:12,059
would take these two sticks and either

1299
00:52:17,150 --> 00:52:14,880
six or sometimes he would use

1300
00:52:18,710 --> 00:52:17,160
like a clothes hanger

1301
00:52:19,670 --> 00:52:18,720
a metal clothes hacker that he would

1302
00:52:21,410 --> 00:52:19,680
twist

1303
00:52:23,870 --> 00:52:21,420
in two shapes

1304
00:52:26,089 --> 00:52:23,880
and if these two sticks are whatever

1305
00:52:28,609 --> 00:52:26,099
would meet in the middle that's where

1306
00:52:30,710 --> 00:52:28,619
the water was and they they seemingly

1307
00:52:34,069 --> 00:52:30,720
moved by themselves it's kind of like

1308
00:52:39,950 --> 00:52:36,770
and there was one point down in the

1309
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:39,960
woods where the sticks met

1310
00:52:44,990 --> 00:52:42,480
so he started digging for water there

1311
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:45,000
and sure enough

1312
00:52:50,569 --> 00:52:48,720
water burst out all over the place and

1313
00:52:52,609 --> 00:52:50,579
that's where that pond was that I was

1314
00:52:55,549 --> 00:52:52,619
telling you about that my Boyhood friend

1315
00:52:57,890 --> 00:52:55,559
jumped over that's where that came from

1316
00:52:59,569 --> 00:52:57,900
it was all underground water until my

1317
00:53:01,490 --> 00:52:59,579
grandfather uncovered it

1318
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:01,500
and

1319
00:53:07,069 --> 00:53:03,200
the connection

1320
00:53:08,809 --> 00:53:07,079
if there is one is that that's where the

1321
00:53:10,849 --> 00:53:08,819
blob was seen I mean when my friend

1322
00:53:13,130 --> 00:53:10,859
jumped over the the pond he was running

1323
00:53:17,870 --> 00:53:13,140
away from the block

1324
00:53:21,109 --> 00:53:17,880
it's also very close to where the sound

1325
00:53:22,849 --> 00:53:21,119
was that I heard in the woods

1326
00:53:23,870 --> 00:53:22,859
the one that scared my friend from

1327
00:53:27,370 --> 00:53:23,880
England

1328
00:53:29,569 --> 00:53:27,380
and they've almost exact same spot

1329
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:29,579
which is where the

1330
00:53:34,430 --> 00:53:32,880
now we have a well that's much closer to

1331
00:53:36,109 --> 00:53:34,440
the house but back then we just had a

1332
00:53:38,089 --> 00:53:36,119
spring down in the woods

1333
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,099
and

1334
00:53:42,290 --> 00:53:40,079
it seemed like a lot of activity

1335
00:53:44,690 --> 00:53:42,300
emanated from that area

1336
00:53:47,870 --> 00:53:44,700
it also wasn't far from where that man

1337
00:53:50,809 --> 00:53:47,880
was digging so maybe he was digging for

1338
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,819
water or I I always thought if I could

1339
00:53:54,829 --> 00:53:52,140
remember where the heck he was digging

1340
00:53:56,990 --> 00:53:54,839
I'd find a treasure I could be rich but

1341
00:53:58,730 --> 00:53:57,000
alas I can't remember exactly where it

1342
00:54:01,730 --> 00:53:58,740
was uh

1343
00:54:03,530 --> 00:54:01,740
is a fairy spell yes probably

1344
00:54:06,890 --> 00:54:03,540
[Laughter]

1345
00:54:08,750 --> 00:54:06,900
Bruce what a wild ride clearly there are

1346
00:54:11,329 --> 00:54:08,760
some weird things going on around the

1347
00:54:13,609 --> 00:54:11,339
Catskills and I salute you for getting

1348
00:54:16,250 --> 00:54:13,619
it on the record Kinderhook seems like

1349
00:54:18,530 --> 00:54:16,260
an interesting little hotbed that I

1350
00:54:20,750 --> 00:54:18,540
really didn't know much about so I

1351
00:54:22,910 --> 00:54:20,760
appreciate uh everything you wrote about

1352
00:54:25,069 --> 00:54:22,920
in this book including your own

1353
00:54:27,170 --> 00:54:25,079
experiences if people want to dig deeper

1354
00:54:29,630 --> 00:54:27,180
get the book and learn about your other

1355
00:54:33,470 --> 00:54:29,640
work tell them how to do it

1356
00:54:35,210 --> 00:54:33,480
well they can go to Amazon the name of

1357
00:54:37,670 --> 00:54:35,220
the book is the Kinder creature and

1358
00:54:39,829 --> 00:54:37,680
Beyond the personal reminiscence you can

1359
00:54:41,630 --> 00:54:39,839
buy it either on Amazon or you can get

1360
00:54:44,450 --> 00:54:41,640
it directly from the publisher which is

1361
00:54:47,089 --> 00:54:44,460
small town monsters and they have a

1362
00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:47,099
website smallfoundmonsters.com

1363
00:54:53,569 --> 00:54:50,420
and all the best bookstores I'm sure

1364
00:54:57,109 --> 00:54:53,579
yes well it was really good it belongs

1365
00:54:58,790 --> 00:54:57,119
on any High strangeness shelf and thanks

1366
00:55:00,349 --> 00:54:58,800
for talking to me today we got outside

1367
00:55:02,030 --> 00:55:00,359
of the parameters of the typical

1368
00:55:04,430 --> 00:55:02,040
paranormal stuff and that's what I go

1369
00:55:07,010 --> 00:55:04,440
for so thanks again and do take care

1370
00:55:09,530 --> 00:55:07,020
well thank you and next time you're over

1371
00:55:11,089 --> 00:55:09,540
in the east coast stop in

1372
00:55:13,790 --> 00:55:11,099
foreign

1373
00:55:17,930 --> 00:55:13,800
all right bringing it in for a landing

1374
00:55:20,089 --> 00:55:17,940
just some good fun for our heavy times

1375
00:55:23,270 --> 00:55:20,099
I personally do like these episodes

1376
00:55:24,650 --> 00:55:23,280
about specific Regional pockets of high

1377
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,660
strangeness

1378
00:55:28,910 --> 00:55:26,880
I like that we can just hear a bunch of

1379
00:55:31,309 --> 00:55:28,920
odd stories that many of us probably

1380
00:55:34,130 --> 00:55:31,319
haven't heard before I like a guy who

1381
00:55:36,349 --> 00:55:34,140
links fairies and aliens in his work

1382
00:55:38,450 --> 00:55:36,359
I know with two hours the part of these

1383
00:55:40,430 --> 00:55:38,460
shows that starts to sound the same as

1384
00:55:41,569 --> 00:55:40,440
the whole well let's try to solve it

1385
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,579
thing

1386
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,920
but I still enjoy the stories and

1387
00:55:48,650 --> 00:55:45,960
getting various takes from new people

1388
00:55:49,970 --> 00:55:48,660
about multiple Dimensions or plasma

1389
00:55:52,849 --> 00:55:49,980
portals

1390
00:55:55,670 --> 00:55:52,859
the Kinderhook blob was a curious story

1391
00:55:57,770 --> 00:55:55,680
as was the little green man and the

1392
00:55:59,690 --> 00:55:57,780
stuff in the second hour about the UFO

1393
00:56:02,030 --> 00:55:59,700
flap was cool too

1394
00:56:04,970 --> 00:56:02,040
flap is a weird word I never really hear

1395
00:56:07,069 --> 00:56:04,980
it in any other context other than UFO

1396
00:56:08,569 --> 00:56:07,079
flap there are no other flaps of any

1397
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:08,579
kind that I know of

1398
00:56:15,349 --> 00:56:11,760
I tend to say UFO Spike because flap

1399
00:56:17,089 --> 00:56:15,359
just sounds weird but anyway

1400
00:56:19,790 --> 00:56:17,099
I wanted this to come out before

1401
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:19,800
Christmas but I just overestimated how

1402
00:56:24,349 --> 00:56:21,599
much I could accomplish when Christmas

1403
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,359
festivities were at my place and my wife

1404
00:56:27,470 --> 00:56:26,400
can't make a huge meal and watch a

1405
00:56:29,930 --> 00:56:27,480
one-year-old

1406
00:56:33,049 --> 00:56:29,940
but the Silver Lining to all that is now

1407
00:56:34,730 --> 00:56:33,059
I can mention that crazy UFO sighting in

1408
00:56:36,710 --> 00:56:34,740
Vegas that happened

1409
00:56:38,809 --> 00:56:36,720
what was it on the new moon the Night

1410
00:56:41,630 --> 00:56:38,819
Before Christmas Eve I think

1411
00:56:43,970 --> 00:56:41,640
I saw several videos of employees from

1412
00:56:46,309 --> 00:56:43,980
the sapphire strip club turning their

1413
00:56:48,710 --> 00:56:46,319
phones to This Cloud that clearly had

1414
00:56:51,829 --> 00:56:48,720
something in it it was a lot better

1415
00:56:54,349 --> 00:56:51,839
siding than some distant hovering light

1416
00:56:56,930 --> 00:56:54,359
but again it wasn't a cloud so it makes

1417
00:56:59,809 --> 00:56:56,940
me think bluebeam because Holograms and

1418
00:57:01,970 --> 00:56:59,819
projections need a canvas like smoke or

1419
00:57:03,349 --> 00:57:01,980
a cloud but it was still pretty damn

1420
00:57:05,750 --> 00:57:03,359
cool

1421
00:57:08,030 --> 00:57:05,760
I saw some people trying to say that it

1422
00:57:11,210 --> 00:57:08,040
was probably just viral marketing for

1423
00:57:13,609 --> 00:57:11,220
the strip club and it's like no

1424
00:57:15,770 --> 00:57:13,619
marketing for a strip club is taking

1425
00:57:18,170 --> 00:57:15,780
Havana girls in bikinis down to the

1426
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:18,180
strip waving in a group of drunk dudes

1427
00:57:21,950 --> 00:57:20,220
and shuttling them to the club it's a

1428
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:21,960
simple machine

1429
00:57:27,349 --> 00:57:24,960
but people always try to find some

1430
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:27,359
rationale for The Unexplained

1431
00:57:32,270 --> 00:57:29,880
it seems way more likely that the

1432
00:57:34,010 --> 00:57:32,280
military would have tested their blue

1433
00:57:37,549 --> 00:57:34,020
beams space brothers are coming

1434
00:57:39,349 --> 00:57:37,559
technology in a very populated area

1435
00:57:42,049 --> 00:57:39,359
I mean if we're gonna cast doubt on it

1436
00:57:44,450 --> 00:57:42,059
being a genuine sighting of a non-human

1437
00:57:46,309 --> 00:57:44,460
piloted craft then that's probably the

1438
00:57:48,349 --> 00:57:46,319
direction I would take it

1439
00:57:50,210 --> 00:57:48,359
and there was another weird story I just

1440
00:57:54,410 --> 00:57:50,220
heard about not as recent as the Vegas

1441
00:57:56,809 --> 00:57:54,420
UFO but this guy Andrew Dawson he was a

1442
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:56,819
popular tick tocker who back in April

1443
00:58:02,329 --> 00:57:59,760
and Canada took a video of what looks

1444
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:02,339
like a giant person walking along the

1445
00:58:06,950 --> 00:58:04,020
snowy mountain top

1446
00:58:08,630 --> 00:58:06,960
near what looks like a base or an

1447
00:58:11,270 --> 00:58:08,640
outpost of some kind

1448
00:58:13,910 --> 00:58:11,280
he apparently tried to get closer and

1449
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:13,920
make some other videos trying to get a

1450
00:58:17,990 --> 00:58:15,839
helicopter company to sponsor the

1451
00:58:19,790 --> 00:58:18,000
situation and take him up there

1452
00:58:22,970 --> 00:58:19,800
and then he made a video about being

1453
00:58:24,950 --> 00:58:22,980
stopped by a CIA agent who said he was

1454
00:58:28,490 --> 00:58:24,960
trespassing and then he made a couple

1455
00:58:30,770 --> 00:58:28,500
more about being stalked by said agents

1456
00:58:32,690 --> 00:58:30,780
and then his second to last video is

1457
00:58:34,730 --> 00:58:32,700
about being scared

1458
00:58:37,370 --> 00:58:34,740
and then it seems like his wife found

1459
00:58:40,370 --> 00:58:37,380
him dead from a quote self-inflicted

1460
00:58:42,170 --> 00:58:40,380
gunshot wound and then I also heard from

1461
00:58:45,230 --> 00:58:42,180
just the comments section that she was

1462
00:58:48,349 --> 00:58:45,240
also recently found dead as well

1463
00:58:51,289 --> 00:58:48,359
so really sad situation but I do think

1464
00:58:53,750 --> 00:58:51,299
his video looks like a giant it had over

1465
00:58:56,690 --> 00:58:53,760
4 million views too so not a small thing

1466
00:58:58,730 --> 00:58:56,700
but just another odd story that fits in

1467
00:58:59,990 --> 00:58:58,740
with this episode that I heard very

1468
00:59:02,210 --> 00:59:00,000
recently

1469
00:59:04,190 --> 00:59:02,220
and tip to all you people out there if

1470
00:59:06,710 --> 00:59:04,200
you see something weird and you upload

1471
00:59:08,450 --> 00:59:06,720
it and it goes viral and the CIA says

1472
00:59:10,250 --> 00:59:08,460
stop doing that and then follows you

1473
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:10,260
around for a little while

1474
00:59:14,630 --> 00:59:12,540
I would probably just stop

1475
00:59:16,670 --> 00:59:14,640
but this episode also gave me the

1476
00:59:18,770 --> 00:59:16,680
opportunity to mention my buddy's weird

1477
00:59:20,990 --> 00:59:18,780
story about that guy who has family

1478
00:59:23,809 --> 00:59:21,000
feasts in the woods and put stuff in

1479
00:59:25,910 --> 00:59:23,819
people's food and wears weird clothes

1480
00:59:28,010 --> 00:59:25,920
so this buddy of mine his name is Kyle

1481
00:59:30,770 --> 00:59:28,020
he actually used to co-host this show

1482
00:59:32,750 --> 00:59:30,780
with me like many many years ago and of

1483
00:59:34,490 --> 00:59:32,760
course he had some kind of psychotic

1484
00:59:36,530 --> 00:59:34,500
break going down the child trafficking

1485
00:59:38,750 --> 00:59:36,540
rabbit hole with Tracy Twyman a couple

1486
00:59:41,450 --> 00:59:38,760
years ago I'm sure a lot of you remember

1487
00:59:43,849 --> 00:59:41,460
that thing that happened

1488
00:59:45,829 --> 00:59:43,859
but he ended up moving back to St Louis

1489
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:45,839
and he started a podcast with another

1490
00:59:49,730 --> 00:59:47,760
guy that I've known since kindergarten

1491
00:59:51,049 --> 00:59:49,740
and they called it the robot polisher

1492
00:59:53,569 --> 00:59:51,059
podcast

1493
00:59:56,030 --> 00:59:53,579
if you see me on Twitter retweeting

1494
00:59:58,010 --> 00:59:56,040
robot polisher tweets well that's my

1495
00:59:59,510 --> 00:59:58,020
other friend's account but they do a

1496
01:00:01,609 --> 00:59:59,520
podcast together where they just smoke

1497
01:00:04,309 --> 01:00:01,619
weed and [\h__\h] about life and the

1498
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:04,319
news and it's very raw they go down a

1499
01:00:07,789 --> 01:00:05,819
lot of rabbit holes and it's a lot of

1500
01:00:10,370 --> 01:00:07,799
the kind of stuff we like around here

1501
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,380
but my buddy Kyle goes really in depth

1502
01:00:15,230 --> 01:00:13,020
with this story of the strange guy in an

1503
01:00:16,730 --> 01:00:15,240
episode called Goblin bread if you are

1504
01:00:18,770 --> 01:00:16,740
interested

1505
01:00:20,450 --> 01:00:18,780
it's his story he can tell it but I

1506
01:00:22,370 --> 01:00:20,460
wanted to give you guys the gist because

1507
01:00:23,809 --> 01:00:22,380
it is one of the more interesting things

1508
01:00:26,990 --> 01:00:23,819
to have come out of their podcast

1509
01:00:29,809 --> 01:00:27,000
because it's this odd personal story

1510
01:00:32,450 --> 01:00:29,819
about maybe some type of bean that is a

1511
01:00:34,490 --> 01:00:32,460
hybrid or has integrated with humans a

1512
01:00:36,710 --> 01:00:34,500
little bit kind of like a Men In Black

1513
01:00:38,990 --> 01:00:36,720
encounter a person could think nothing

1514
01:00:41,089 --> 01:00:39,000
of it but if you focus on the details

1515
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:41,099
and you're open to non-humans being

1516
01:00:45,349 --> 01:00:44,160
among us then this guy really set my

1517
01:00:47,870 --> 01:00:45,359
buddy off

1518
01:00:50,630 --> 01:00:47,880
but it's just another random interesting

1519
01:00:52,730 --> 01:00:50,640
thing robot polisher podcast the goblin

1520
01:00:54,650 --> 01:00:52,740
bread episode

1521
01:00:56,990 --> 01:00:54,660
but lots to like in this interview and

1522
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,000
I'm so stuck on the stuff Dr Greg Little

1523
01:01:02,089 --> 01:00:59,880
talks about I think Shamanism and Magic

1524
01:01:03,589 --> 01:01:02,099
are heavily involved with a lot of these

1525
01:01:05,870 --> 01:01:03,599
sightings

1526
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:05,880
what even is Magic besides altering

1527
01:01:09,890 --> 01:01:07,920
Consciousness and creating a ritual

1528
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:09,900
portal which oftentimes does produce

1529
01:01:14,450 --> 01:01:12,480
light and I would argue if you captured

1530
01:01:16,309 --> 01:01:14,460
that and put it in a bottle and examined

1531
01:01:18,289 --> 01:01:16,319
it you'd find plasma

1532
01:01:20,329 --> 01:01:18,299
I don't know about that last part I've

1533
01:01:22,849 --> 01:01:20,339
never summoned anything but imagine the

1534
01:01:24,710 --> 01:01:22,859
fairy folk are just really Adept natural

1535
01:01:27,170 --> 01:01:24,720
magicians

1536
01:01:28,910 --> 01:01:27,180
they can play human consciousness like a

1537
01:01:31,609 --> 01:01:28,920
piano or something

1538
01:01:33,829 --> 01:01:31,619
and in this long history of humanity how

1539
01:01:36,289 --> 01:01:33,839
many shamans could have opened up a

1540
01:01:38,569 --> 01:01:36,299
portal and then this thing starts coming

1541
01:01:40,789 --> 01:01:38,579
back to that same spot or if you don't

1542
01:01:42,230 --> 01:01:40,799
close the ritual right then it's out

1543
01:01:44,510 --> 01:01:42,240
there in the world

1544
01:01:47,329 --> 01:01:44,520
so many things can happen but there's a

1545
01:01:48,710 --> 01:01:47,339
lot of overlap in these Venn diagrams if

1546
01:01:51,410 --> 01:01:48,720
you ask me

1547
01:01:54,049 --> 01:01:51,420
so big thanks to Bruce for doing the

1548
01:01:56,089 --> 01:01:54,059
show and to small town monsters for

1549
01:01:57,230 --> 01:01:56,099
sending me the book and making this

1550
01:01:59,630 --> 01:01:57,240
suggestion

1551
01:02:01,789 --> 01:01:59,640
I get way too many Publishers sending me

1552
01:02:03,349 --> 01:02:01,799
things to do everyone but this kind of

1553
01:02:06,710 --> 01:02:03,359
just had enough that I thought it would

1554
01:02:09,289 --> 01:02:06,720
work and you be the judge I guess

1555
01:02:11,569 --> 01:02:09,299
in the second hour we talked about other

1556
01:02:15,109 --> 01:02:11,579
odd Native American trickster beans

1557
01:02:19,069 --> 01:02:15,119
water plasma and electromagnetism UFO

1558
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:19,079
flaps and the Westchester wing UFOs

1559
01:02:24,349 --> 01:02:20,880
nukes and water

1560
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,359
the best film depictions of UFOs Pope

1561
01:02:28,069 --> 01:02:27,119
pictures Whitley streber entities and

1562
01:02:31,010 --> 01:02:28,079
death

1563
01:02:34,190 --> 01:02:31,020
the case of the missing coleus plant the

1564
01:02:37,250 --> 01:02:34,200
mysterious events of September 11 1985

1565
01:02:41,270 --> 01:02:37,260
the Pine Bush abductions the Margaret

1566
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:41,280
mayor entity and the Montauk Monster we

1567
01:02:45,829 --> 01:02:43,260
really let it rip become a plus member

1568
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1569
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1570
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just click the link right at the top of

1572
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:55,740
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1574
01:03:04,069 --> 01:03:01,200
that said one more show to end the year

1575
01:03:06,549 --> 01:03:04,079
and it is a doozy so brace yourself we

1576
01:03:09,049 --> 01:03:06,559
are turning the conspiracy dial up to 11

1577
01:03:11,270 --> 01:03:09,059
and until then enjoy the rest of the

1578
01:03:12,890 --> 01:03:11,280
holidays I will talk to you soon for now

1579
01:03:15,289 --> 01:03:12,900
I'm getting out of here your move

1580
01:03:18,010 --> 01:03:15,299
Kinderhook creature Kinderhook blob and

1581
01:03:22,010 --> 01:03:18,020
other beans of the New England area

1582
01:03:26,230 --> 01:03:22,020
your [\h__\h] move when you see weird

1583
01:03:32,809 --> 01:03:29,030
something sits on your chest when you

1584
01:03:32,819 --> 01:03:38,170
be a pattern

1585
01:03:44,510 --> 01:03:42,589
oh you might have those green memories

1586
01:03:48,710 --> 01:03:44,520
darling wait

1587
01:03:48,720 --> 01:03:54,410
so make them sing

1588
01:03:59,470 --> 01:03:56,349
and baby I

1589
01:04:04,630 --> 01:03:59,480
tried the camera

1590
01:04:13,190 --> 01:04:09,230
I'm thinking about how people can't get

1591
01:04:19,010 --> 01:04:13,200
free from mysterious Grace

1592
01:04:23,569 --> 01:04:19,020
it's getting just a bit out of hand

1593
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,579
we really just want to get back on with

1594
01:04:31,010 --> 01:04:24,960
our days

1595
01:04:33,730 --> 01:04:31,020
don't care about the hybriding plan so

1596
01:04:35,230 --> 01:04:33,740
honey now

1597
01:04:39,680 --> 01:04:35,240
[Music]

1598
01:05:02,450 --> 01:04:39,690
don't walk into the skinny arms

1599
01:05:05,150 --> 01:05:02,460
[Music]

1600
01:05:08,289 --> 01:05:05,160
I can tell when they're gone cause my

1601
01:05:08,299 --> 01:05:14,150
but we know that it's not just a dream

1602
01:05:18,840 --> 01:05:17,569
cause they never put me back exactly the

1603
01:05:20,450 --> 01:05:18,850
same way

1604
01:05:24,370 --> 01:05:20,460
[Music]

1605
01:05:26,410 --> 01:05:24,380
and the pain is as real as a scream

1606
01:05:29,890 --> 01:05:26,420
honey are

1607
01:05:36,410 --> 01:05:29,900
souls might be the whole

1608
01:05:41,650 --> 01:05:38,470
the higher side

1609
01:05:46,630 --> 01:05:41,660
chats is covered all

1610
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:48,730
I'm thinking about

1611
01:05:55,010 --> 01:05:52,640
how people can't get free from

1612
01:06:00,849 --> 01:05:55,020
mysterious Grace

1613
01:06:05,569 --> 01:06:00,859
it's getting just a bit out of hand

1614
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:05,579
we really just want to get back on with

1615
01:06:10,750 --> 01:06:06,960
the days

1616
01:06:15,950 --> 01:06:10,760
don't care about the hybriding

1617
01:06:16,970 --> 01:06:15,960
plan but creepy now

1618
01:06:25,750 --> 01:06:16,980
foreign

1619
01:06:55,930 --> 01:06:41,730
[Music]

1620
01:06:55,940 --> 01:06:59,490
thank you

1621
01:07:11,049 --> 01:07:05,950
[Music]

1622
01:07:11,059 --> 01:07:17,170
don't walk into the skinny arms

1623
01:07:24,250 --> 01:07:20,690
no they came from the sky from out of

1624
01:07:42,670 --> 01:07:35,730
[Music]

1625
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:53,210
baby this damn life is too bizarre

1626
01:07:58,130 --> 01:07:55,910
and that is another show complete

1627
01:08:00,529 --> 01:07:58,140
remember as much as you enjoyed this

1628
01:08:02,329 --> 01:08:00,539
which is just the free first hour I hope

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you'll become a plus member to hear the

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comments and the forums and you'll find

1633
01:08:13,069 --> 01:08:10,920
your answer to one of the most common

1634
01:08:14,750 --> 01:08:13,079
questions I get which is where can I

1635
01:08:16,610 --> 01:08:14,760
find those cover songs that you use at

1636
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,620
the end of the show well they are free

1637
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1638
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without Plus members I can't hire the

1639
01:08:25,669 --> 01:08:23,160
occasional musician to bring these odd

1640
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cover song ideas to fruition Plus

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1642
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without ads and without the big machine

1643
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1644
01:08:36,229 --> 01:08:34,440
into a two-hour interview and I do my

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best to make it worth your time and

1646
01:08:41,630 --> 01:08:39,239
money the conversation only gets deeper

1647
01:08:43,789 --> 01:08:41,640
weirder and more controversial in that

1648
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7-Day trial because I'm just that

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confident there's no PayPal on the

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website but if you need to use PayPal

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then sign up through patreon and you get

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all the same episodes our website is a

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credit or debit system but you can also

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scope out the other options like a few

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various cryptos cash or check mail to

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the PO box and I'll even barter with

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most people if you have your own

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business and produce something nice that

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my wife or kid or taste buds might like

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but the architects of consensus reality

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have made it clear that these themes and

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topics aren't really welcome on the main

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stage and so this is how we secure a

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little Counter Culture corner for

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ourselves and I hope you'll join plus

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because that is the only way it works

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besides you can cancel anytime right on

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your profile page the most common

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01:09:43,309 --> 01:09:40,679
concern I hear is people just being

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unsure if THC plus will work with their

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01:09:48,050 --> 01:09:45,359
podcast app and the answer is probably

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yes but if not we have several

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high-level app recommendations for

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whatever phone you use and the website

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is made for mobile too we're trained to

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tip a waitress for bringing us a

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sandwich but that tip doesn't give you

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access to a second sandwich really I'm

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not asking for any more than that and I

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think I offer a better service come get

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your second serving of tasty conspiracy

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goodness in exchange for that small

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token of your appreciation beyond that

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let it also be known that we have grown

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and survived as long as we have By Word

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of Mouth I don't care so much about

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social media likes or follows but tell

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the right people about THC and not just

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listeners but the high level figures who

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are better suited to sit down with me

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than most other hosts and if you can

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help me with any of these things I can

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work to bring you better shows which is

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just a a win-win for both of us

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informative entertaining and

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action-packed it also never hurts to

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thank a guest you liked if you have the

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time either we want them to know people

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are listening so they're willing to come

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back down the road too thank you for